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CARLSON: Still to come, aliens of a different sort. Areextraterrestrials among us
now? And is the White House trying to starta war with them? Why a former government
official says, “Oh, yes. It‘s all true.” When the situation returns.
CARLSON: Welcome back. According to my next guest, the truth is outthere. Actually
up there, with our neighbor to the north, Canada.
A former Canadian government official is warning we may be on the vergeof
intergalactic war, saying, quote, “The Bush administration hasfinally agreed to
let the military build a forward base on the moon,which will put them in a better
position to keep track of the comingsand goings of visitors from space and to shoot
at them if they sodecide,” end quote.
Paul Hellyer is a former minister of defense and deputy prime ministerof the country
of Canada. He joins us now from Toronto. Mr. Hellyer,thanks a lot for coming on.
PAUL HELLYER, FORMER DEFENSE MINISTER AND DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER,
CANADA: Not at all, it‘s a pleasure.
CARLSON: Now, you were the minister of defense of Canada. When youautopsied that
position, I believe, under Prime Minister LesterPearson, did you come across any
classified information that suggestedUFO‘s were real?
HELLYER: No, not really. We got regular reports that showed that someof them were,
in fact, unidentified. Some of the sightings could notbe explained as natural
phenomenon, but nothing more than that.
CARLSON: Well, as you know, there‘s been this debate for years overwhether or not
they are real. Most people don‘t think they are real,or most people at least are
hesitant to say they believe they are realin public. What convinced you they do, in
fact, exist?
HELLYER: Well, for the last two or three years, I have been looking atthe evidence,
and assessing it, much as I guess a judge would. Andtrying to determine who was
telling the truth and who wasn‘t. And Ifinally concluded, especially after reading
a book called “The DayAfter Roswell,” written by Colonel Philip Corso, that
unidentifiedflying objects are, in fact real. As real as the airplanes flying
overyour head, and that there has been a monumental cover-up for more thanhalf a
century.
This is after, you know, looking at a lot of evidence and trying todiscern who was
telling the truth and who wasn‘t. And I have concludedunequivocally that the
people, who claim that they have either seenUFO‘s or have seen classified
documents about UFO‘s or have seenwreckage from the crash at Roswell, on or about
July 4, 1947, are theones telling the truth. And consequently, I am basing my
policyconsiderations on that.
CARLSON: Where did you come across this information that the Bushadministration is
building a forward base on the moon, and why wouldthey do that? And why would they
keep it from the public?
HELLYER: Well, to answer your second question first, I don‘t know.
That is the reason I am raising the question, is to see why they are.
CARLSON: Well how do you—how do you—that‘s an awfully specific claim. I
haven‘t read it in the “New York Times.” Doesn‘t mean it‘s not
true,doesn‘t mean you‘re wrong, but I am interested to know why you thinkthat.
HELLYER: Well, because this was forecasted in Colonel Corso‘s book. They were
wanting to build a base on the moon, as far back as 1964. And General Arthur Trudeau
(ph) - same name as one of my bosses—wasvery determined to build a forward base
on the moon. And prepared allof the specifications necessary for it, and the
blueprints, and so on.
CARLSON: Well, is it—pardon me. I don‘t mean to interrupt you, butdoesn‘t this
make sense? I mean, if, in fact, there areextraterrestrials and they are buzzing our
planet, why wouldn‘t we wantto take steps to defend ourselves from them should
they turn hostile?
HELLYER: Well, I think the critical question is whether or not theyare hostile. You
see, when they were first—when the crash firstoccurred, General Nathan Twining
(ph) later became the...
CARLSON: In Roswell?
HELLYER: Yes, after that crash occurred, he declared that they wereenemy aliens.
Now, there‘s no evidence, that I have seen, that wouldreally convince me that they
are, in fact, you know enemy.
And what I would like to know is whether that classification of enemyaliens still
exists or whether it doesn‘t, and if it exists, what theevidence is on which the
United States government bases itsconclusions. I think that‘s tremendously
important.
CARLSON: I think that‘s an entirely fair question. Now, finally, youlaid out these
views in September of this year at a speech at theUniversity of Toronto, and
according to the news report I have of thespeech, your address, quote, “ended with
a standing ovation.”
And that implies, I think, that your views are commonplace in Canada. They are a
minority view here, distinct minority view. Do you thinkmost Canadians believe that
there is a forward base under constructionon the Moon and that aliens are buzzing
the earth?
HELLYER: No, absolutely not. Most of them are skeptics. Most of themhaven‘t spent
much time researching the subject, and so they‘re, Ithink, the average here would
be very similar to the average American. And I am hoping that, maybe, we can
persuade the Canadian Senate tohold hearings and listen to some of the 400 witnesses
that your Dr.Steven—what‘s his name? Oh, Greer, Dr. Steven Greer, has compiled,
andhear them, and, you know, make up their minds as to whether or notthere is a real
threat.
CARLSON: All right.
HELLYER: And, maybe, this would be just enough to push the Americangovernment, the
U.S. Congress or Senate, into holding its own hearings,and then getting the United
States government finally to come clean andtell us what they are worried about.
CARLSON: OK. Canada‘s former minister of defense, Paul Hellyer. Ifyou are right,
history will record you as a visionary. If you arewrong, well, I‘m glad you came
on anyway. Thank you.
HELLYER: It‘s a pleasure.
ORIGINAL ARTICLE:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439223/
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